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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by gebhk » 26 Jan 2022 08:35

AFAIK uniforms no. Weapons and other equipment very much so.

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by NavyCdo412 » 26 Jan 2022 18:24

gebhk wrote:
26 Jan 2022 08:35
AFAIK uniforms no. Weapons and other equipment very much so.
Yes for after war but Armia Krajowa wore a lot of German uniforms for example during the Warsaw Uprising

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by gebhk » 26 Jan 2022 18:43

Soryy, I assumed from your question that you were interested in post-war arrangements only. Of course during the war all the armed resistance groups fighting openly used German and any other uniform they could lay their hands on. Thes ame foes for civilians of course, both during and especially after the war.

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by NavyCdo412 » 04 Feb 2022 23:00

gebhk wrote:
26 Jan 2022 18:43
Soryy, I assumed from your question that you were interested in post-war arrangements only. Of course during the war all the armed resistance groups fighting openly used German and any other uniform they could lay their hands on. Thes ame foes for civilians of course, both during and especially after the war.
So some German uniforms were used bu civilians or military personnel after the war? In which way?

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by gebhk » 05 Feb 2022 09:03

As I mentioned, the armed forces used equipment and particularly weaponry. 'Sturms' were particularly popular in the KBW for example. Not aware of any uniform usage though re-purposing of leather goods seems likely - belts, footwear etc. Also stuff like mechanics overalls. In a poor country devastated by war, the civilians would have had to scrounge anything they could and any uniform material, reagrdless of origins, would have simply been restyled, recoloured and repurposed as appropriate to make it usefui in civilian life.

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by NavyCdo412 » 06 Feb 2022 17:47

The only official as far as I know use of German helmets the M16 model, in the 10th Cavalry Brigade. I think they wore the m37 kaki uniforms along sometimes with the Adrian helmets.

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by gebhk » 08 Feb 2022 12:14

If we are looking at the pre-war period then:
There were significant stocks of German M16 and M18 as well as Austrian M17 helmets left in Poland after WW1 plus anothe 6820 M17s purchased in 1924. No distiction was made in Poland between therse types; all being referred to as German wz 16 (to distinguish them from the Italian wz 16). In the late 20s and early 30s they still equipped a number of infantry regiments, the KOP, the Navy, armoured cars, some service units and most engineer units. In 1934 there were 19,115 units in stock. As army and navy units were successively equipped with Polish wz 31 =helmets, the German wz 16 were transferred to the KOP and the police. By 1939 the 10BK was the only divisional unit that retained them, albeit a few other minor units were equipped with them too. It's not a question of 'official' allocation - helmets were allocated depending on what was available in a given magazine.

Regarding the 10BK - this has to be considered in two parts - its permanent peacetime establishment (HQ, 2 motorised cavalry regiments, motorised recce and anti-tank dywizjony, signals squadron and traffic control platoon) and untis of other arms that were added in the Brigade's wartime establishment (eg artillery, engineer, tank units etc). These units were governed by uniform regulations specific to each arm - the bulk of the brigade, of course, subject to the regulations for motorised cavalry. However, tank and motorised artillery units, for example would have been regulated by slightly or even very different ones. On mobilisation, the basic 10BK was issued with a mix of M16 and M17 helmets. We also know from contemporary photographs that the field artillery of the brigade also received them. It is less clear what some of the other components such as the AA artillery had (if anything). The nearest to an 'Adrian' that any part of the brigade had AFAIK were the Adrians of the tank crews, heavily modified for AFV crew use.

Incidentally, there was no such beast as a 'wz 37' uniform. The new uniform evolved over the 1936-39 period and its component parts each had their own patterns depending on year of introduction. These included wz 36 tunics, wz 36 and wz 39 overcoats, wz 37 field caps etc However, significant stocks of elements of the older wz 19 uniform still existed both in store and in use by peacetime service personnel. It was not therefore unusual for there to be a mix of the old and the new even within the same sub-unit - and that almost certainly includes 10BK.

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Re: WW2 Polish Army questions

Post by gebhk » 12 Feb 2022 09:20

On a personal note, my grandfather wore a German wz 16 helmet during his stint in the 1919-21 Russo-Polish war - I have photos to prove it :thumbsup:

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