Gorque wrote: ↑
28 Jan 2022 15:31
ljadw wrote: ↑
28 Jan 2022 15:17
Take The Express (Lord Beaverbrook dictated the foreign news content ) .After having tried with Churchill and Rothermere to unseat Baldwin as leader of the Tories in 1930, he changed course and supported almost unconditionally the appeasement policy of McDonald,Baldwin and Chamberlain .
Suddenly ,after Munich,he changed course again and propagated the absurd stories of the Germans planning to attack the Netherlands, Switzerland,Romania and planning to Copenhague ,or to use a modern word,to Pearl Harbor the Royal Navy .
NOTHING of all this was true,everything was absurd .
Why gave he the order to spread these stories ?
Dawson censored anti German articles in the Times ,but,he also,changed course after Munich .
I have no idea as to their motivations. What do you opine that their motivations for shifting their stances were?
Motivations : money ?,ideology ?
Whatever, I found the following on the internet (I will give the source later )
'' Versailles rested upon a series of illusions
1 Tranquillity in Europe could be secured by the general extension of representative democracy .
2 A stable European order could be created through the universal application of the principle of national self-determination .
3 A stable new European system could be fabricated without the participation of either Germany or Russia .''
My comments : these three points were imposed by a US professor,without any knowledge of European history, and who became president in 1913 .
The history of Europe since 1919 has proved that these points were totally wrong .
People in Eastern Europe did not want representative democracy and do not care about it .
These points were generally also accepted in the UK and in France, but to a lesser extent : Bonnet was more realistic than a lot of British politicians .
From all this, I deduce the following :
the Allies won in 1918 and thus presumed that their ideology also had won and that they could impose their ideology on the defeated countries .When Hitler claimed originally that his aim was to give the German people the same rights as the Allies =national self-determination, all those naive and for a lot of them also hypocritical liberals ,believed him ,as the aim of the war was to make the world safe for democracy ,and as the German people supported Hitler, the result was that Germany was a democracy ,a German democracy .
But,when Hitler appeared to be a realpolitiker,the indignation in the Anglo-Saxon world was enormous,as every one believed that realpolitik had caused the war .As war was bad (war was The Somme and Passchendaele ),some one who started a war,was a criminal .
Why do I say that a lot of these liberals were hypocrites ?
Because the beneficiaries of point 2 were those who fought with the Allies:Poles and Czechs could have self-determination .Ukrainians, Germans, Austrians not .
The Armenians were also denied self-determination, because they were the victims of a hidden racism : they were not considered as whites .
When Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland, Eden, an appeaser approved this ,as Hitler returned only in his backyard .
When the Sudeten Germans wanted the Anschluss to Germany,the liberals said yes (self-determination after 20 years )but objected to Hitler's threats ;the German answer was :when we were weak,there was no self-determination for the Sudeten ,this proves that force only rules the world .
But when Hitler demanded the return of Danzig, than self-determination no longer applied .
Intelligent people in Whitehall (they were a minority,but still they existed ) knew very well ,and ACCEPTED,that Munich did not only signify the Anschluss of the Sudeten Germans, but also the vassalization of Czechia and Slovakia .
Conclusion : as long as the Germans did present themselves as poor ,innocent victims of the Treaty of Versailles, they got what they wanted.But,when they played realpolitik (as Britain had done since centuries ) they became the bad guy .
And they no longer got anything : the WW 1 caricatures appeared again in the British media : the goose-stepping monocled,yelling Boche was there again .
Before 1914 the attack on Poland would not have resulted in a general war,as the politicians of those days applied the principle : war is the continuation of policy by other means .
In 1939 war was a crime and Hitler a criminal : on 3 September 1939 Chamberlain said (was forced to say ?) :our aim is the total destruction of Nazism ( in other words : of Germany )