I am not a NY Times subscriber.gebhk wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022 09:52Ijadw and Henryk
If the NYT in general and Duranty in particular were such wholesale deniers of the Hlodomor and the Soviet famine as you say, it should be easy to support your argument with actual evidence in the form of articles from these sources. Yet, so far you seem to have provided reams of other peoples opinion and hearsay (what I am, perhaps overly puckishly, describing as 'blah') instead. To the un-invested bystander like myself, when reams of blah are cited in support of an argument when actual and convincing evidence should be easy to find, suggests a smokescreen is being put up to cover the fact that the argument is either deeply flawed or baseless. Your adversaries have provided a bunch of primary evidence that Duranty and the NYT did the opposite of what you say ie they did in fact report the Soviet famine. Therefore, so far, your adversaries are winning this debate hands down and have managed to prove beyond resonable doubt, that Duranty and the NYT were NOT denying the Soviet famine - at least some of the time.
So have at it - no more blah, let's have the actual articles that support your argument.
From post 474, can anyone post the articles from 31 March 1933 and 21 Aug 1933?
Reporting the 1932–1933 famine
In The New York Times on 31 March 1933, Walter Duranty denounced reports of a famine and, in particular, he attacked Gareth Jones, a British journalist who had witnessed the starving in Ukraine and issued a widely published press release about their plight two days earlier in Berlin. (Jones' release was itself immediately preceded by three unsigned articles by Malcolm Muggeridge describing the famine in the Manchester Guardian.)
Under the title "Russians Hungry, But Not Starving" Duranty's article described the situation as follows:
In the middle of the diplomatic duel between Great Britain and the Soviet Union over the accused British engineers, there appears from a British source a big scare story in the American press about famine in the Soviet Union, with "thousands already dead and millions menaced by death from starvation".
Five months later (23 August 1933), in another New York Times article, Duranty wrote:
Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda. The food shortage, however, which has affected the whole population in the last year and particularly in the grain-producing provinces – the Ukraine, North Caucasus [i.e. Kuban Region], and the Lower Volga – has, however, caused heavy loss of life.