Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

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Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by BuddaBell123 » 28 Aug 2013 21:51

[Split from "Polish brutality against ethnic German civillians in WW2"]

Clearly for many years the German-Polish conflict had been going on. As Poland had been given vast amounts of German land at the end of WW2 surely it won't want more as it would only increase this conflict. Apparently Poland wanted to increase its boarder with Germany up to the Oder-Nessie rivers through force most likely. Is this true did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?
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Re: Polish brutality against ethnic German civillians in WW2

Post by wingray » 28 Aug 2013 22:01

BuddaBell123 wrote:Clearly for many years the German-Polish conflict had been going on. As Poland had been given vast amounts of German land at the end of WW2 surely it won't want more as it would only increase this conflict. Apparently Poland wanted to increase its boarder with Germany up to the Oder-Nessie rivers through force most likely. Is this true did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?
No. It's just Neo-Nazi propaganda.

If Poland wanted a piece of Germany, she could have easily taken it in the 20's, when the German army was no more than a police force.

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"Poland had territorial plans for Germany"

Post by BuddaBell123 » 28 Aug 2013 22:16

[Split from "If Poland had become Germany's ally rather than its enemy"]

Apparently Poland had territorial plans for Germany (it drew up plans to move it boarder with Germany up to the Oder-Nessie rivers). Now this would make Poland a real threat to Germany if this is true, but is this true. Did Poland plan to through I would guess force to take land from Germany?
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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 30 Aug 2013 10:27

Hi Marcus,

Yup, sorry and thanks.

Cheers,

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by poldas » 01 Sep 2013 15:47

Poland wanted Germany to the Upper Silesia, Gdańsk and Warmia & Masuria.
Before WW II, there is no plan for Polish border on the Oder and Neisse rivers.
This is evidenced by the demands of the Polish delegation at the conference of Versailles.
Gdańsk did not go to Polish, so the Poles built Gdynia.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by henryk » 01 Sep 2013 17:54

A reminder of Pilsudski's policy:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5[quote]It is surprising that so many posts completely misrepresent Poland's policies with its neighbours. They completely ignore the historical facts. Poland was not interested in an expansion of its boundaries. Such expansion would only increase the proportion of minorities within the country. Pilsudski was a federalist. He was not interested in a larger country, but in a federation with Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. Thus he originated and promoted his policy of "Protheism". This promotion continued after a major blow with the Treaty of Riga, and even after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism[/quote]

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by poldas » 01 Sep 2013 18:10

Right, but ...
The topic is about relationships Poland - Germany.
Here you can still talk about the action Polish ORP "Wicher" in Gdansk and Polish conflict with the Senate of the Free City of Gdańsk.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by poldas » 02 Sep 2013 05:18

That's right.
Poland had no ambition to the Oder and Neisse.
It was the idea of ​​"Holy Trinity" - Franklin, Winston, Joseph.
On the Polish side fought Germany;
adm. Joseph Unrug, general Juliusz Rommel, and others.
It's an interesting story of two nations:
- Polish
- German

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 02 Sep 2013 10:13

Hi Guys,

We should not confuse "plans against" with "ambitions for" or "wishes for".

As Poldas states above, Poland and Germany had some residual issues over Silesia, Masuria and Danzig.

However, while we know that Nazi Germany had plans to resolve these issues by force, because it implemented them in 1939, it appears that the Poles only had plans to pre-empt the Germans into Danzig, should they try to enter the "Free City".

I would not be surprised if the Poles also had military contingency plans to occupy the whole East Prussia - this would have been prudent. East Prussia was the most heavily militarized part of the Reich in the mid 1930s, probably because the Germans feared this.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by gebhk » 02 Sep 2013 19:46

Amen to that Sid. In fact if memory serves it was a bit of a bone of contention between Poland and France that in the event of a joint war against Germany the Poles saw EP as a priority target to secure their flank while the French would have preferred the Poles to march directly on Berlin as that variant would have taken the pressure off the French more speedily.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by 4thskorpion » 14 Oct 2015 14:59

poldas wrote:That's right.
Poland had no ambition to the Oder and Neisse.
It was the idea of ​​"Holy Trinity" - Franklin, Winston, Joseph.
On the Polish side fought Germany;
adm. Joseph Unrug, general Juliusz Rommel, and others.
It's an interesting story of two nations:
- Polish
- German
Poland had no ambition to the Oder and Neisse?
However it was no secret to the Allies that before his death in July 1943 General Władysław Sikorski, Prime Minister of Poland's London-based government in exile had been the originator, and not Stalin, of the concept of a westward shift of Poland's boundaries along an Oder–Neisse line as compensation for relinquishing Poland's eastern territories as part of a Polish rapprochement with the USSR.[29] Dr. Józef Retinger who was Sikorski's special political advisor at the time was also in agreement with Sikorski's concept of Poland's realigned post-war borders, later in his memoirs Retinger wrote: "At the Tehran Conference, in November 1943, the Big Three agreed that Poland should receive territorial compensation in the West, at Germany's expense, for the land it was to lose to Russia in Central and Eastern Europe. This seemed like a fair bargain."[30]

Source: Western betrayal

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