Nazi Victory

Walther Darré · Post by **Walther Darré** » 19 Jul 2002 19:36

(Like if this one hasn't been asked 1000 times already!)

What would have happened if the Nazis would have won the war? What areas would go to Germany?
And for me as a Swede, what would have happened to our country?

Jan Grönvik · Post by **Jan Grönvik** » 20 Jul 2002 14:12

This is my view:
Nazi Germany would have exploited Eastern Europe and the European part of the Soviet Union like colonies. The West European countries (including Sweden) would have had puppet regimes and Germany would have controlled them through some kind of "Nazi-EU". There would have been a cold war and a space race with the USA.

Regards,

Jan

The Desert Fox · Post by **The Desert Fox** » 16 Aug 2002 09:14

The spectre of german victory in ww2 posed the question of what would have happened to my country Australia.

German victory I imagine would mean that Australia would have fallen to their axis ally Japan. Worse case scenario is we would have probally ended up as slaves of the Empire of Japan. The fate of westerners under Japan in Indonesia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia is evidence enough for this.

However this question comes to mind, the state I live in South Australia has a large degree of german ancestry. With Hitlers tendency of bringing all germans under the umbrella of the reich. Would Hitler have taken a hand in chalenging Japans soverighty in Asia, in particuliar Australia??

Linlu · Post by **Linlu** » 16 Aug 2002 12:24

Hi all,

It would be hard for Hitler to control all those areas. Partisans and brigands will probably harass the garrisons and administrations. Revolts (like the Warsaw uprising) will occur because probably many more people will be confined to ghettos.

Worse case scenario is we would have probally ended up as slaves of the Empire of Japan.

LOL, that's pretty funny but unlikely. There is enough Chinese people to do that already. Perhaps not slaves (slaves usually do all the back breaking work). Since Australia was pretty technologically advanced back then, the Japanese would probably use Australians (not the natives of course!) for special technical positions (something like "white-collared slaves").

However this question comes to mind, the state I live in South Australia has a large degree of german ancestry. With Hitlers tendency of bringing all germans under the umbrella of the reich. Would Hitler have taken a hand in chalenging Japans soverighty in Asia, in particuliar Australia??

No way man, why lose an ally over a territory so far away from the heart of the Reich? Hitler would probably ask that the population with German ancestry to be spared and sent to Russia for recolonization!

There would have been a cold war and a space race with the USA.

You left out Japan and Italy. Since England, France, Russia, and most of China is considered conquered, USA is all alone. Germany has a much higher understanding of rocketry than USA (it depends on when Germany finished conquering those countries). But USA's got Einstein! It would probably be a race to get those nukes working first, then finding a way to deliver them.

And for me as a Swede, what would have happened to our country?

A vacation spot for the people of the Third Reich.

- Linlu

The Desert Fox · Post by **The Desert Fox** » 16 Aug 2002 15:02

Perhaps not slaves (slaves usually do all the back breaking work). Since Australia was pretty technologically advanced back then, the Japanese would probably use Australians (not the natives of course!) for special technical positions (something like "white-collared slaves").]

Not so sure I agree. If the record of the Burma railway is anything to go on the Japenese made no distinction between the chinese, Malay, Dutch, English, Americian or Australian Pows. Each and every one where used purely as slave labour. I do not believe any technical expertise was reconized by the Japenese amongst their prisoners.

In fact one of my ancestors was captured at the fall of Singapore in 1941, and died in captivity in 1945, three days before Singapore was relieved by the allies.

Lord Gort · Post by **Lord Gort** » 18 Aug 2002 17:53

As a Briton I am proud my nation saved the world from what might have happened had the Nazis won.

As for the scenario, i do not wish to contemplate it.

Zachary · Post by **Zachary** » 18 Aug 2002 19:08

I saw a map on post war Europe 1950. The Reich includes its land with the Crimea and the land around Batum. East is independent Asian nations under German supervison (that's aminly Russia, Ukraine etc) Eats of the Urals are the "Slav Lands" All of Western Europe is labeled as "ally"

I would have wanted them to annex as much land as possible to make the Greater German Reich look bigger- annex France- the Low-countries, Western Russia, but they're not annexed on that map.
Regards,
Zachary

Arhanghelul Mihail · Post by **Arhanghelul Mihail** » 31 Aug 2002 01:20

IMHO...Romania would keep all his teritories and not sufering from the ''liberation" brought by our red brothers from the east.

The Desert Fox · Post by **The Desert Fox** » 31 Aug 2002 05:53

Yes any nation from the former eastern bloc would have found German defeat a double edged sword.

The joy of the end of the war and freedom from one Tyrant Hitler, only to see the arrival of the army of a worse tyrant Stalin.

Thank the gods.
All my ancestors where Anglo-Saxon and far from Stalins sphere of influence.

regards
The Desert fox

Arhanghelul Mihail · Post by **Arhanghelul Mihail** » 31 Aug 2002 11:25

As i know Romania was not under german ocupation. Antonescu allowed the wehrmacht to stay here for protection. He was an ally and all the oil, gas and food he gave the german army was payed by gold and military technique. However it was better for the americans and english to fight against USSR after the germans was defeated. Today we had have another East Europe...no Reds at all

Regards

The Desert Fox · Post by **The Desert Fox** » 01 Sep 2002 12:52

Yes that is indeed true but hell it took nearly forty years to throw off Soviet influence. Romania was independent in name during the cold war but in practice the USSR had a big say in the direction of foreign policy etc.

For example in Hungary in 1956, and Czecholovakia in 1968 didnt Romania as part of the Warsaw pact send troops into these countries in support of the USSR? Correct me if I am wrong I am no expert and mean no offense my friend.

regards
The Desert Fox

Arhanghelul Mihail · Post by **Arhanghelul Mihail** » 03 Sep 2002 07:03

Of course you are right my friend, I'm not proud for this (not sure for Cehoslovakia, the history I learned in school was wrong

but i think you are right). But Ceausescu was an idiot.

The other east European countries had leaders more inteligent and college finished

as Ceausescu was a poor idiot shoemaker with 4 first elementar school classes

That't's why Romania goes down. And it's going deeper now with this idiots in our present government.
Regards

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