D-Day

Ljunggren · Post by **Ljunggren** » 18 Jul 2002 09:14

What if the German defenders threw the allies back into the sea during D-Day?
Would the allies have the strenght and moral to make another effort anytime soon?

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 18 Jul 2002 18:29

If the Allies were threw back on D-Day on june 6 1944 like you mention They would have invaded Europe by France in Provence like they did on august 15 1944 and by Italy. Of course it would have taken more time.

After reading a lot about D-Day, i think this landing is overrated. Of course it was a big victories by the Allies but they would have eventually invaded Europe sooner or later.

Tolga Alkan · Post by **Tolga Alkan** » 18 Jul 2002 19:19

Maybe they could try to make a invasion to other areas of France.Maybe invasion to southern France.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 18 Jul 2002 20:26

Given the crushing aerial and naval suppriority of the Allies I find it hard to believe that they could be thrown into the sea.

Anyway, Operation Dragon (landing in S France) was only 2 weeks away.

harry palmer · Post by **harry palmer** » 19 Jul 2002 12:47

Bear in mind that Operation Overlord took place during a weather break; about a week after the landings, the invasion beaches were pounded by gale force winds. If the invasion had taken place during such weather conditions, they would have played havoc with air support, paratroop drops and naval support.
If Overlord had failed, Operation Dragoon might have become the main effort, but it would have been significantly more difficult for the Allies to provide air and logistic support to a major force in Southern France than one just across the English Channel.

The Desert Fox · Post by **The Desert Fox** » 27 Aug 2002 10:23

I think it would certainly have given Germany some months of breathing space if D day had failed. The allies would have been exhaused and demoralised after such a massive undertaking hitting the rocks. All the material loss in the first undertaking would have had to be replenished.

Any further efforts by the allies to invade would have been met with a higher level of Axis awarness.

Regards
The Desert Fox

de-gouden-ridder · Post by **de-gouden-ridder** » 30 Aug 2002 11:49

Be happy D-day worked. The allies army was not the big military problem (the SU was).
I think the allies would have tried to come on land at another place, but later, but how later the invasion started, how more ground from Europe the red army would have taken.
Bless God for the D-day succeding

Logan Hartke · Post by **Logan Hartke** » 30 Aug 2002 14:06

If the Allies hadn't been bombing Germany for 2-3 years, the Soviets would have faced more 88s and AA guns than the VVS could handle, would never have gained aerial superiority, and probably would've lost every battle after Kursk due to german AA concentrations. So the USSR was a major and the more immediate threat, but if it wasn't for the Western Allies, the Germans would've had far more guns and their wouldn't have been ammo shortages or manufacturing problems due to bombing that allowed the Soviets to continue their offensives.

Logan Hartke

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 01 Sep 2002 12:21

Hi Logan

Surely you meant to say 4+ years of allied bombing or are you just counting US involvement in the bombing campaign

Andy from the Shire

Gwynn Compton · Post by **Gwynn Compton** » 01 Sep 2002 13:03

Well the British seem to be more well known for bombing cities, while the Americans are well known for bombing factories.

Romulus · Post by **Romulus** » 01 Sep 2002 15:28

Cheshire Yeomanry wrote:Hi Logan

Surely you meant to say 4+ years of allied bombing or are you just counting US involvement in the bombing campaign

Andy from the Shire

Yes let us not forget the first raid in which leaflets were dropped on Berlin...lol.

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 01 Sep 2002 15:41

Gwynn

The first British air raids were very heavily sanctioned by rules such as only bombing ships on the high sea's and not in port, though thay had as much chance of landing on the moon as hitting a warship on the high sea.

Logan Hartke · Post by **Logan Hartke** » 01 Sep 2002 22:18

The Brits, for all of their skill and bravery, didn't put much of a dent in Germany's production abilities during 40-41, so that's why I said 2-3 years. I mean heck, they couldn't even stop the "Channel Dash".

Logan Hartke

HJ Division Grenadier · Post by **HJ Division Grenadier** » 03 Sep 2002 18:53

Im my own personal opinion I think some of the allied leaders would have been ousted from power. Especially Churchill and probably Eisenhower.
I think it would have been a very long time if ever another landing was attempted on the northern coast. Think of it, if the landidngs failed totally and by that I mean all sectors, that would have been a hell of a lot of men and material lost.
The film Fatherland deals (fictionally of course) with this scenario. Shame that Rutger Hauer looks a total arse in his uniform..

Lumpy Custard · Post by **Lumpy Custard** » 03 Sep 2002 20:06

I dont think it could have been a reality for the allies to get driven back to the sea. The germans had sod all as far as reinforments were concerned, hardly no air power and just the shear mass of the allied assaults on the beaches that day, although costly just totally overwhelmed them.

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