Germany could have won World War I..IF

[Linkagain]

If after the massacres of the Innocenets in 1914...German realized she cannot substain both a two front war esapecailly agains t heavly industralized countries such as France or British Empire..so they decesides to draw the Main line at the Rhine River.....and gradually withdraws her main forces to this line.....The French liberae Alsace Lorraine; the Belgiums their own Country..and England takes the credit....on the Eastern Fronmt thing s go as much as they really did 1914-1917 Germany does most of the fighting....Poland becomes an Independnent County in 1917.....AustrianHUngary implodes.....and becomes about the same size it is now..>Czech/slankia becomes an country for 70 years then divorces itself from each other....the Balkan states form themsleves into Yugoflavia for 70 years until they implode....Turkish empire implodes....there is a population exchange but greece enlarges itself to Western Trace....{Just not enough to capture Instanbl} ..with the collapse of the Turkish empire the middle east beaomes dozen differnt countures...1917-1919...the Baltic states and the Ukrainedecalre their Freedom...the only part in Eastern Europe Germany can hang on to is East Prussia....

[glenn239]

If after the massacres of the Innocenets in 1914...German realized she cannot substain both a two front war esapecailly agains t heavly industralized countries such as France or British Empire..so they decesides to draw the Main line at the Rhine River..

The Ruhr is on the Rhine river so a withdrawal there would be tantamount to losing a large chunk of Germany's war industry for no reason. A line something like Antwerp-Brussels-Charlois-Sedan-Thionville would anchor the German front on cities, fortresses and the Ardennes and keep the Allies plenty clear of Germany's vital industrial heartland.

[maltesefalcon]

Sorry the OP was practically unreadable, so I missed the portion that explains how Germany actually won the war with its former western frontier territories under Allied control and its own allies crushed.

[glenn239]

Sorry the OP was practically unreadable, so I missed the portion that explains how Germany actually won the war with its former western frontier territories under Allied control and its own allies crushed.

I think what he's saying is that as the Anglo-French beat their heads on the Rhine and events unfold in the East, the entire imperative for the war would shift, and things would peter out as Europe changed.

[maltesefalcon]

Sorry the OP was practically unreadable, so I missed the portion that explains how Germany actually won the war with its former western frontier territories under Allied control and its own allies crushed.

I think what he's saying is that as the Anglo-French beat their heads on the Rhine and events unfold in the East, the entire imperative for the war would shift, and things would peter out as Europe changed.

Nope still not seeing it. Are you implying/agreeing per OP, Germany loses Rhineland, and Alsace Lorraine in some sort of stalemate? They would never stand for that if they were in fact the victors as suggested by OP.
Perhaps the Ottomans could collapse and still leave Germany intact and victorious. But a dissolution of the Hapsburg Empire implies their defeat (probably) at the hands of Russia and Italy. Under that situation, a re-creation of an independent Poland is unlikely. (If Germany did defeat Russia as IRL and had beaten the Western allies, the AH state would likely survive the war for a time at least.)
Also the OP has made no mention of the naval blockade which severely damaged the German economy and helped force them to accept the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. Add to that the contributions of the USA to tip the scales near the end.

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to Clarify Germany keeps the Rhineland But gives up Alsace Lorraine

Austrain-Hungary dies with Franz Josef In 1916...and implodes...
Russia under Nicholas II also Implodes....
Germany makes a realistic Deal with Pulaski....an Indepdendant Poland..as both Homeland in Polish disporsai..and a buffer state aganist Russia....Hungary Allies with Poland... Romania
dropis out of the war....In the East Turkish Emprie Implodes....Britian tries despartly to be friends with both Turkey and Greece barters a eyhnic population exchange....Greece gets more of thrace up to but not Instanbul
KArl becomes Emperor of Austria....but not Hungary {Sorry]
The Sebs decalre them selves Yugoslavia.....

AS for Wilhelm II he becomes so emitionally unstable....he has to be exhiled to Holland for the General peace...his crown prince Becomes Emperor....

British Empire goes on for anther 30 years.....but just dissolves....as happens to the Belgium and French , Netherlands Empires as well
One new Country Czechoslavkia goes on for about 80 years but divocres itself......

[maltesefalcon]

to Clarify Germany keeps the Rhineland But gives up Alsace Lorraine

Austrain-Hungary dies with Franz Josef In 1916...and implodes...
Russia under Nicholas II also Implodes....
Germany makes a realistic Deal with Pulaski....an Indepdendant Poland..as both Homeland in Polish disporsai..and a buffer state aganist Russia....Hungary Allies with Poland... Romania
dropis out of the war....In the East Turkish Emprie Implodes....Britian tries despartly to be friends with both Turkey and Greece barters a eyhnic population exchange....Greece gets more of thrace up to but not Instanbul
KArl becomes Emperor of Austria....but not Hungary {Sorry]
The Sebs decalre them selves Yugoslavia.....

AS for Wilhelm II he becomes so emitionally unstable....he has to be exhiled to Holland for the General peace...his crown prince Becomes Emperor....

British Empire goes on for anther 30 years.....but just dissolves....as happens to the Belgium and French , Netherlands Empires as well
One new Country Czechoslavkia goes on for about 80 years but divocres itself......

Lots of implosions here with little or no explanation.
Not sure how productive attempts to negotiate with Pulaski would go, since he died in 1779. In Georgia, USA.
Perhaps you meant Marshall Pilsudski?

Again how/why does AH dissolve if they emerge on winning side? IRL the empire continued to the bitter end despite the death of Franz Josef.

I will not make any further comments to this thread . It just does not make sense.

[glenn239]

Nope still not seeing it. Are you implying/agreeing per OP, Germany loses Rhineland, and Alsace Lorraine in some sort of stalemate? They would never stand for that if they were in fact the victors as suggested by OP.

No, I don't see why giving up A-L and falling back to the Rhine wins Germany WW1.

Perhaps the Ottomans could collapse and still leave Germany intact and victorious. But a dissolution of the Hapsburg Empire implies their defeat (probably) at the hands of Russia and Italy. Under that situation, a re-creation of an independent Poland is unlikely. (If Germany did defeat Russia as IRL and had beaten the Western allies, the AH state would likely survive the war for a time at least.)

A-H will survive as long as Germany is in the war since the German army would make sure of that. The Ottomans might collapse, but as events subsequent to the war suggest, Turkish nationalism would continue.

Also the OP has made no mention of the naval blockade which severely damaged the German economy and helped force them to accept the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. Add to that the contributions of the USA to tip the scales near the end.

Right.

[T. A. Gardner]

The easiest way for Germany to win WW 1 is they decide not to attack France. Instead, they pack the French - German border with troops and fortify in. In the East, they crush Russia in less than 18 to 24 months at the most.
Meanwhile in France, the French go on the offensive per their doctrine to get the snot shot out of them. Losses mount, their offensive is going nowhere. The British aren't in the war and want no part of it. They do sell weapons to Russia and France.
With no sea blockade of Germany (the French Navy lacks the ships for that), the Germans retain good overseas trade, particularly with the US.

With Russia out of the war and their own attempts to defeat Germany at a very bloody standstill, the French decide to negotiate an armistice and end the war.

[kfbr392]

Sounds totally plausible.
In addition, on a tactical level, Germany should have bought more MG 08 prewar, maybe instead of one large warship built less.
Ideally also Madsen LMG in 8x57 instead of another 2-3 large warships.