No German scientists/technology for the Wallies - impact on the Cold War?

[At ease]

Perhaps someone should tell Lance Cole that...
Field Intelligence Agencies/Technical (FIAT)
Is actually
Field Information Agency, Technical.

That's a pretty basic mistake to make.

Is that the best you can do?

FIAT - also known by the other name here:

Heavily Requested Technical Reports Series in LC General Collections

Historical Note: Following right behind Allied combat troops into occupied areas, representatives of the British Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee (BIOS), the Combined Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee (CIOS), and the U.S. Field Intelligence Agency, Technical (FIAT), visited German manufacturing plants, research laboratories, and other war-related facilities to interview managers, scientists, and engineers. After collecting relevant documents, these groups wrote technical briefs on individual subjects, production processes and new technologies. They also prepared reports on whole industries - notably the German dye industry - and on construction projects, such as German underground factories. Although many of these were added to the PB series right after the war, later declassified documents can only be found in the reports listed below.
Allied Forces. Supreme Headquarters. Combined Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee. Report. CIOS- LC CALL NUMBER: T26.G3A3.
For a subject index to the material, see Classified List of OTS Printed Reports , which contains the FIAT, BIOS, CIOS, PB, ARCO (Aircraft Resources Control Office) and BIGS (British Interrogation of German Scientists) numbers.

https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/trs/trsgencoll.html

Are you going to, for example, agree that it was perfectly legitimate for me to keep my posts "on topic" and not need to comment on pre-war industrial activity?

You are throwing lots of darts.

You are not scoring very well.

Give up before you lose ALL credibility.

[At ease]

And before any one else wants to be seen "running their mouth" they might want to have a look at the relatively high standard of research in Cole's books, exemplified by his detailed notes:

Chapter 1

1. Vollprecht, B.E. & Reason, S.J., ‘Lechfeld Airfield.’ Report CIOS ER 39: PB 105 (1–61) May
1945, and also as by Ziegler, M., Raketenjager Me 163. Transl A. Vanags, London, MacDonald
1963.
2. Lasby, G., Project Paperclip, German Scientists and the Cold War. Atheneum, New York 1971.
3. Beyerchen, A., ‘German Scientists and Research Institutions in Allied Occupation Policy’,
History of Education Quarterly, Vol 22, No.3. Education Reform and Policy in Germany.
Autumn 1982, pp: 289–299.
4. BIOS: Final Report No. 447, Item No. 30, Interrogation of Dr Otto Roelen of Ruhrchemie A.G.,
November 1945 in London.
5. Wills, C., Communications and personal interview at Wings, Ewelme, Oxfordshire, UK, 2011.
6. CIOS Report: The Horten Brothers/Interrogation Notes. PB 19711–14 (1–1362): 18th–22nd–
31st May 1945. London.
7. Beyerchen, A., ‘German Scientists and Research Institutions in Allied Occupation Policy’,
History of Education Quarterly, Vol 22, No.3. Education Reform and Policy in Germany.
Autumn 1982, pp: 289–299.
8. Fedden, R., ‘Inquest on Chaos’, Flight, 29 November 1945.
9. Murrow, Edward R., CBS radio broadcast from London, 12 November 1944.
10. Walker, C. Lester., ‘Secrets by the Thousands’, Harpers Magazine, October 1946.
11. Hardesty, Von, & Eisman, G., Epic Rivalry; the inside story of the Soviet and American Space
Race. National Geographic Society, Washington D.C. 2007, pp: 11–30.
12. Foster Dulles, J., Foster Dulles Papers, located at the Eisenhower Library.
13. Cole, L.F., ‘Blended Wings?’ Research Letter, Flight International, 20 July 2004.
14. Myhra, D., The Horten Brothers and Their All-Wing Aircraft, Schiffer Military History. Atglen,
PA., 1998, pp: 245 – 246.
15. Cole, L.F., Secrets of the Spitfire: the Story of Beverley Shenstone, the Man Who Perfected the
Elliptical Wing, Pen and Sword Books Ltd., Barnsley, 2012.
16. Ackroyd, J.D., ‘The Spitfire Wing Planform, a Suggestion’. RAES Journal. Vol 2, 2013, RAeS,
London.
17. Schilperood, P, The Extraordinary Life of Josef Ganz, RVP, New York, 2012.
18. Shenstone, B.S.S., 1940 Statement and unpublished notes.
19. Flight Editorial Headline, 9 January 1947.

Chapter 2

1. Voisin, G., My 1000 Cars, English Transl Ref edition, Winstone, D.R.A. Faustroll Publ, 2012.2. Cole, L.F., Secrets of the Spitfire: the Story of Beverley Shenstone, the Man Who Perfected the
Elliptical Wing, Pen and Sword Books Ltd., Barnsley, 2012.
3. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Aviation: a Historical Survey, Science Museum/HMSO London 1970/2nd
Ed.1985.
4. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Early Flying Machines 1799–1909. Publ Science Museum/HMSO London
1975.
5. Mondey, D, et al., The International Encyclopaedia of Aviation, Octopus Books, London, 1977.
6. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Aviation: a An Historical Survey, Science Museum/HMSO London
1970/2nd Ed.1985.
7. Shenstone, B.S.S., Unpublished notes.
8. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Aviation: a Historical Survey, Science Museum/HMSO London 1970/2nd
Ed.1985.
9. L’Art de voler a la Maniere des Oiseaux.
10. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Aviation: a Historical Survey, Science Museum/HMSO London 1970/2nd
Ed.1985.
11. Mechanics Magazine London, 25 September 1852.
12. Goupil, M.A., La Locomotion Aerienne.
13. Penaud, A., ‘Aeroplane Automoteur: Equilibre Automatique’, L’Aeronaute, January 1872.
14. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Aviation: a Historical Survey, Science Museum/HMSO London 1970/2nd
Ed.1985.
15. The Hargreves Papers: RAeS NAL, Farnborough, UK.
16. Winstone, G.R.A., Gerin. Faustroll Publishing, 2014.
17. Lanchester, F.W., Aerodonetics, 1908.
18. Gibbs-Smith, C.H., Early Flying Machines 1799–1909, Publ Science Museum/HMSO London
1975.


Chapter 3

1. Luft-Wissen, 943, Vol. 10, No5, pp: 154–155.
2. Schenk, H., ‘Finanzierung u Organissation d Luftverkehers’, 1930.
3. Gruberg, V.L., ‘It Must Not Happen Again’, Flight, 16 August 1945.
4. Shenstone, B.S.S., & Scott-Hall, S. ‘Glider Development in Germany. A Technical Survey’.
NACA Technical Memorandum No. 780, 1936.
5. Diekmann, B, & Krieg, M., ‘The Influence of August Kupper and Robert Kronfeld on British
Gliding and Aviation’, Vintage Glider Club News, Vol 142, Winter, 2014.
6. Muttray, H., ‘Die Aerodynamishe Zusammenfugung von Tragelflugel und Rumpf’ (The
Aerodynamic Aspect of Wing Fuselage Fillets) Luftfahrtforschung, 1934, 11(5).
7. Kármán, T. von, The Wind and the Beyond, Little Brown, Boston, 1967.
8. Lippisch, A.M., Statement to Press, Berlin Tempelhof, 1931.
9. Lippisch, A.M., The Tailless Aeroplane, Lecture, Rhon-Rossiten Gesellschaft Deutsche W.G.L.
10. Shenstone, B.S., Unpublished notes.

Chapter 4

1. Myhra, D., The Horten Brothers and Their All-Wing Aircraft, Schiffer Military History, Atglen,
PA, 1998.
2. Horten, R., ‘Nurflugelflugzeng Horten IV’: Flugsport, 18 February 1942.
3. Dabrowski, H.P., The Horten Flying Wing in World War II: The History & Development of the
Ho 229, Transl David Johnson. Schiffer Military History, Vol. 47, Schiffer Military History,
Atglen, PA, 1999.
4. Horten, R., ‘Problem of the All-Wing Aircraft’, Flugsport, 10 June 1936.
5. Wills, C., Personal communications, Wings, Ewlme, Oxfordshire, UK, 2011.

[.....]

[At ease]

.....And the first two pages of his six page Bibliography:

The following reference titles are published and unpublished works. They are sourced from: Author’s
collection; Private archives; Private communications; RAeS; RAeS National Aerospace Library;
National Archives, Washington D.C.; US Library of Congress Archive Service;
FIAT/CIOS/BIOS/BIGS documents; National Research Council Canada; Parkin Archives; Lippisch
Archive University of Iowa; The Christopher Wills Collection; Shenstone Archives; British Gliding
Association; Vintage Glider Club; Rhon Wasserkuppe Archives; Flight and Flight Global Archive;
Aeroplane magazine archives; Nurflügel.com (D. Bullard); The Wing is The Thing (TWITT).
Ackroyd, J.A.D., ‘The Spitfire Wing Planform, a Suggestion’, Journal of Aeronautical History, Vol
2, 2013. pp: 121–134. RAeS, London.
Ackroyd, J.A.D. & Lamont, P.J., ‘A comparison of Turning Radii for Four Battle of Britain Fighter
Aircraft’, Aeronautical Journal, February, 2000, Vol 104, (1032), pp: 53–58.
Ahlborn, F. Prof., Uber die Stabilitat der Drachenflieger, 1897.
Anderson, J.D., A History of Aerodynamics, Cambridge University Press, 1997.
Appleyard, D.C. & Biot, M.A., ‘Horten Tailless Aircraft’, CIOS Report: 25/157. PB 260, 1945.
Bader, D. Sir., Grp Capt., Personal communications at Marlston, Newbury, Berkshire, UK, 1981.
Bernhard, of the Netherlands (House of Orange), Prince, Personal communications with author,
Schiphol Airport and in-flight Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij, AMS-LHR, 1994.
Betz, Prof Dr, Notes via B.S. Shenstone.
Beyerchen, A., ‘German Scientists and Research Institutions in Allied Occupation Policy’, History of
Education Quarterly, Vol 22, No.3. Education Reform and Policy in Germany, Autumn 1982, pp:
289–299.
Biechteler, C., ‘Versuch zur Beseitgung von Leitwerkschutteln’, Zeitschrift fur Flugtechnik und
Motorluftschiffartvol, Vol 24, No.1: 14 January 1933.
BIOS: Report 254: German Aircraft Industry report of visit by representatives of SHORT Bros.
(Rochester & Bedford) LTD., on 24th – 29th September 1945: Reported by: Mr W. Swallow, Chief
Production Engineer – Short Bros. and Mr D. Keith-Lucas, Chief Aerodynamics Assistant – Short
Bros.
Bowers, A.H., & Lednicer, D.A., ‘A Retrospective: Flying Wing Design Issues’, NASA Dryden
Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA and Analytic Methods, Inc., Redmond, WA. Presented to the
members of The Wing Is The Thing (TWITT) on 20 September 1997, Gillespie Field, El Cajon,
CA. USA.
Bower, T., The Paperclip Conspiracy, Michael Joseph, London, 1987.
Brooklands Museum, Vickers archives.
Brzezinski, M., Red Moon Rising, Bloomsbury, London, 2007.Burrows, W.E., This New Ocean: The Story of the First Space Race, New York Modern Library,
1999.
Campagna, P., Nazi UFO? ‘Released Documents Increase Speculation that Nazis did Research Disc
Technology’, UFO Magazine 2000, UK, pp: 74–75.
Chance Vought Aircraft Stratford, Connecticut: Engineering Dept: 7/18/46 C.G.D; Excerpt from
LGB-164/Advance Report, ‘Ten Years Development of the Flying Wing High-Speed Fighter’;
Paper presented by the Horten Brothers, Bonn. Flying Wing Seminar, 14 April 1943.
CIOS Reports: Library of Congress, Washington D.C.
CIOS Report: The Horten Brothers/Interrogation Notes. PB 19711–14 (1–1362), 18th – 22nd – 31st
May 1945. London.
CIOS/RAE Report: Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, Hants, UK. The Horten Tailless
Aircraft, Author: Wilkinson, K.G., B.Sc., D.I.C.; Technical Note: Aero 1703, October 1945, Class
number 629.13.014.48 (43): Horten RAE Report No. P.A. 259/1: US Tech Note No. Aero 1703,
October 1945.
CIOS Report: The Interrogation of Franz Protzen at 6, Hall Road, St Johns Wood, London on 14 June
1945, PB138 (I-68).
CIOS Report: The Arado 234: Performance, aerodynamic problems and history of development,
PB19713 (I-1362) ARCO 184: June 1945.
CIOS Report: XXVIII-47: ‘High Speed Tunnel and other Research in Germany’, Reported by: A.
Thom, RAE, M.A.P.G.P. Douglas, RAE, M.A.P. CIOS Target Nos. 25/71 & 25/82.
Cobain, I., ‘The Secrets of the London Cage’. The Guardian, 12 November 2005.
Cole, L.F., ‘Blended Wings?’, Research Letter, Flight International, 20 July 2004.
Cole, L.F., ‘SAAB’s Secret Fighter’. Aeroplane Monthly.
Cole, L.F., Secrets of the Spitfire: the Story of Beverley Shenstone, the Man Who Perfected the
Elliptical Wing, Pen and Sword Books Ltd., Barnsley, 2012.
Cole, L.F., Vickers VC10, The Crowood Press, Ramsbury, 2000.
Cole, L.F., PhD/B.Sc. Research and test data.
Cook, N., The Hunt For Zero Point: One Man’s Journey To Discover the Biggest Secret Since the
Invention of the Atom Bomb, Random House, London.
Chertok, B.E., Rakety I Lyundi (Rockets and People), Transl, NASA/History Series, 2005.
Cunliffe-Owen, Publicity material.
Cunningham, J.C., (de Havilland) Personal Communications, Buckinghamshire, UK, 1999.
Dabrowski, H.P., The Horten Flying Wing in World War II: The History & Development of the Ho
229, (Transl David Johnson), Schiffer Military History, Vol. 47, Schiffer Military History, Atglen,
PA.
Diekmann, B, & Krieg, M., ‘The Influence of August Kupper and Robert Kronfeld on British Gliding
and Aviation’, Vintage Glider Club News, Vol 142: Winter 2014.
Dittmar, H., Family of – Personal Communications, October 2008.
Dorril, S., Fifty Years of the Special Operations Executive, Fourth Estate, London, 2008.
DVL, Report on the Testing of the Flying Characteristics of the Horten IX V-1. Berlin-Adlershof, 7
July 1944.
Eells, R., ‘Aeronautical Science. German Documents’. Quarterly Journal of Current Acquisitions 3
(4) Library of Congress, August 1946.
Elmhirst, T., AVM, Sir, Asst. Chief Air Staff/Intelligence, ‘The Luftwaffe and its Failure’, Flight, 31
October 1946.
Evans, J.R., ‘Aerodynamics of the Delta’, Flight, 10 August 1951.
Evans, S.H., ‘American Notebook’, Flight, 17 November 1949.
Evans, S.H., Private technical correspondence to B.S. Shenstone.
Farquharson, J., ‘Governed or Exploited? The British Acquisition of German Technology 1945–
1948’, Journal of Contemporary History, Vol 32, No1 (Jan 1997

[.....]

[Michael Kenny]

.....And the first two pages of his six page Bibliography:

Argument from authority. Always a bad sign when someone falls back on that old chestnut.

[Michael Kenny]

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Must it? I will ask a British person the next time I meet one.

you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.

Given the garbage spouted about Luftwaffe 1945 and innate German technical superiority I would say any made-up book 'wot I wrote' (Copyright E. Wise) about German super-duper technology will be taken at face value by those who live in an alternate reality.

[At ease]

.....And the first two pages of his six page Bibliography:

Argument from authority. Always a bad sign when someone falls back on that old chestnut.

In other words, you have no written material to counter my argument.

Sad.

P.S. I can't remember which lecturer said it now(graduated 1986), but we were urged to look at a book's bibliography first, in order to "size up" the potential worth, or otherwise, of the contents.

It is a beneficial habit worth remembering.

[At ease]

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Must it? I will ask a British person the next time I meet one.

you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.

Given the garbage spouted about Luftwaffe 1945 and innate German technical superiority I would say any made-up book 'wot I wrote' (Copyright E. Wise) about German super-duper technology will be taken at face value by those who live in an alternate reality.

Teesside?

I did not stop there, but have been past that region on the choo choo train to Edinburgh years ago.

Looks quite British to me.

You might be confused as to what country you live in.

I can certainly tell you where to go if you feel lost.

Looking through the bibliography, I don't see any sources listed as "Luftwaffe 1945(or Luft '46 which I think is what you might be referring to)".

http://www.luft46.com

But I do see references to Gunston, Munson, Prandtl, Royal Aircraft Establishment, Beverley Shenstone(credited with the Spitfire's elliptical wing, Swanborough, JWR Taylor, Brian Trubshaw(Chief Test Pilot of the Concorde whose Bio I just finished reading), von Karman, Derek Wood(Project Cancelled), Earl F. Ziemke, to name just a very few from the last two pages of the bibliography that would be quite familiar to most serious aviation enthusiasts or followers of WW2 aviation history.

I certainly don't see any sources from "Kenny", or "T. A. Gardner", or "Takao".

I wonder why?

[T. A. Gardner]

You might like to quote some of the reviews of Cole's works, or at least link to them.

So far, I am finding it difficult to find other than complementary reviews of his works.

Certainly none disparaging so far, only from yourself.....and MKenny.

Walter J. Maslowski
1.0 out of 5 stars Don't waste your time
Reviewed in the United States on March 19, 2016
This book consists mainly of the author's assertions that the Allies appropriated technology from defeated Nazi Germany.
This is certainly no secret.
Don't waste your time.

Gigant
1.0 out of 5 stars More hoped than get
Reviewed in Germany on April 14, 2017
Verified Purchase
I bought the book to learn more about the comet and hoarding, but was unfortunately disappointed.
The author loses himself in the trivial. In addition, the technical documentation, such as photos, drawings, is poor.
The quality of the pictures is gruesome and looks self-drawn.
Wouldn't buy it better. Anyone who has expected more from the hoarding will be bitterly disappointed.
(originally in German)

Gordon Meads
1.0 out of 5 stars One Star
Reviewed in the United States on November 17, 2015
Verified Purchase
Rubbish...

Above on Amazon

...After multiple readings by multiple reviewers we remain entirely undecided. The book is cheap enough to just give it a try—but you’d probably want to invest at least as much in a bottle of strong drink
https://speedreaders.info/16678-secret- ... ld-war-ii/

For the $20 something it costs, I'll just buy it. That's chump change for me. I had some other books to order anyway, tacking on one more is nothing.

[Michael Kenny]

Teesside?

I did not stop there, but have been past that region on the choo choo train to Edinburgh years ago.

Looks quite British to me.

You might be confused as to what country you live in.

Where one resides has no bearing on one's nationality.
The main line to Edinburgh does not go through Teesside.

[Carl Schwamberger]

Opel was GM in Germany. Ford was still Ford. Both were nationalized once the war began. Opel's Brandenburg plant was one of the largest truck manufacturing plants in Germany.

Since I knew Opels affiliation this makes me feel even stupider than usual.

[T. A. Gardner]

Got Cole's book coming by early next week. Got a deal too, just $15 for a hardback!

[T. A. Gardner]

It must be very irksome for British readers to read books written by other British
subjects that tend to suggest German scientific prowess to the point that Lance Cole,
amongst others, does.

Must it? I will ask a British person the next time I meet one.

you might want to write and have published your own book detailing
your position on the matter.

Given the garbage spouted about Luftwaffe 1945 and innate German technical superiority I would say any made-up book 'wot I wrote' (Copyright E. Wise) about German super-duper technology will be taken at face value by those who live in an alternate reality.

Teesside?

I did not stop there, but have been past that region on the choo choo train to Edinburgh years ago.

Looks quite British to me.

You might be confused as to what country you live in.

I can certainly tell you where to go if you feel lost.

Looking through the bibliography, I don't see any sources listed as "Luftwaffe 1945(or Luft '46 which I think is what you might be referring to)".

http://www.luft46.com

But I do see references to Gunston, Munson, Prandtl, Royal Aircraft Establishment, Beverley Shenstone(credited with the Spitfire's elliptical wing, Swanborough, JWR Taylor, Brian Trubshaw(Chief Test Pilot of the Concorde whose Bio I just finished reading), von Karman, Derek Wood(Project Cancelled), Earl F. Ziemke, to name just a very few from the last two pages of the bibliography that would be quite familiar to most serious aviation enthusiasts or followers of WW2 aviation history.

I certainly don't see any sources from "Kenny", or "T. A. Gardner", or "Takao".

I wonder why?

So? What you are making is an irrelevant appeal to authority. For example, the Luft 46 missiles section of that website is riddled with erroneous information, likely due to not having any knowledge of US and British missile developments that were concurrent with what the Germans were doing.
So for all that supposedly impressive bibliography, the site gets their information wrong on the missiles it presents.

[T. A. Gardner]

I got this one delivered today:



A typical scholarly book with good end notes and bibliography. A few points I read so far that contest what has been brought up here by others:

p 136 "General Electric and Project Hermes"

"But gradually the proportion of Germans (eg., Paperclip scientists and engineers) declined until, by spring 1947, there were none left at White Sands."
I added the commentary for clarification on that.

p 138. " Most of the German gyros were in such bad shape that they had to be rebuilt. A firm named Waldorf and Kearns built the American replacement which were not identical but "seemed to be at least as good as the German."..."
(emphasis added)

A discussion of German servos and hydraulic actuators follows where the US found that their already available ones were far better than the German ones. It concludes with this:

"Initially 46 percent of the V-2's had exhibited steering problems for those with American control components, the percentage fell to 5."

This indicates that the German guidance systems captured, and engineered--even where the US now had those engineers working for them--were better off with American engineered products replacing the German ones.

[paulrward]

Hello All ;

Mr. Gardner posted :

This indicates that the German guidance systems captured, and engineered
--even where the US now had those engineers working for them--were better off
with American engineered products replacing the German ones.

Is this supposed to be some sort of surprise ? The German components were being manufactured
under conditions of wartime stringencies and almost impossible manufacturing conditions, with
constant materials shortages, labor issues, and the minor inconvenience that the Allies were bombing
the snot out of Germany on a daily ( and nightly ! ) basis ! The fact that the Germans could build
rockets at all under these conditions is a tribute to their ingenuity and resourcefullness.

Yes, by 1947, the United States had caught up with where the Germans had been in 1945. But it
was a moving target, and while the Germans were no longer at White Sands, a significant number
of them were in Hunsville - oops - I meant Huntsville, Alabama, at the Redstone Arsenal. Where
they were key players in the development of the Redstone series of missiles, which launched the
first successful U.S. satellite into orbit, and put the first American into outer space. The Redstone
rocket used Rocketdyne H-1 engines which were essentially just scaled up V-2 engines, built by
Chrysler, and had the same combustion chamber designs and used the same turbopump technology .

Eight Redstones were ultimately clustered into the Saturn 1 and the Saturn 1B, which launched
the first manned Apollo mission, as well as the manned portion of the Skylab missions and the
Apollo - Soyuz mission, which flew in July, 1975. Thus, in a very real sense, the United States
relied on German V-2 rocket engine technology for THIRTY YEARS after the end of WW2 !

I think the following YouTube video sums it up best :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro


Respectfully :

Paul R. Ward

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello All ;

Mr. Gardner posted :

This indicates that the German guidance systems captured, and engineered
--even where the US now had those engineers working for them--were better off
with American engineered products replacing the German ones.

Is this supposed to be some sort of surprise ? The German components were being manufactured
under conditions of wartime stringencies and almost impossible manufacturing conditions, with
constant materials shortages, labor issues, and the minor inconvenience that the Allies were bombing
the snot out of Germany on a daily ( and nightly ! ) basis ! The fact that the Germans could build
rockets at all under these conditions is a tribute to their ingenuity and resourcefullness.

Yes, by 1947, the United States had caught up with where the Germans had been in 1945. But it
was a moving target, and while the Germans were no longer at White Sands, a significant number
of them were in Hunsville - oops - I meant Huntsville, Alabama, at the Redstone Arsenal. Where
they were key players in the development of the Redstone series of missiles, which launched the
first successful U.S. satellite into orbit, and put the first American into outer space. The Redstone
rocket used Rocketdyne H-1 engines which were essentially just scaled up V-2 engines, built by
Chrysler, and had the same combustion chamber designs and used the same turbopump technology .

Eight Redstones were ultimately clustered into the Saturn 1 and the Saturn 1B, which launched
the first manned Apollo mission, as well as the manned portion of the Skylab missions and the
Apollo - Soyuz mission, which flew in July, 1975. Thus, in a very real sense, the United States
relied on German V-2 rocket engine technology for THIRTY YEARS after the end of WW2 !

I think the following YouTube video sums it up best :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro


Respectfully :

Paul R. Ward

Actually the Redstone engine wasn't "just a scaled up V-2 engine." It was an entirely new design by North American Aircraft the XLR43-NA-1. The only thing it had in common with the V-2's engine was it was still using alcohol and LOX for fuel and oxidizer. It used a new, less bulky cylindrical combustion chamber and with other design improvements delivered the same 75,000 lbs of thrust with 8 better specific impulse at 40% less weight. This was developed for NAA's Navajo project and was used on Redstone as the NAA 75-110. The engine went through 7 variants A-1 to 7 where it was simplified and made more reliable. Chrystler became the prime contractor delivering these .

But Redstone hardly represents the US missile program throughout its life. It was one small part of it, and was chosen for the Mercury program mainly on its reliability having not used cutting edge technology in many areas of its design, such as the airframe. That made it more reliable but hardly state-of-the-art.

http://enginehistory.org/Museums/USSRC/ ... uly%201953.